Close call with a Caribbean cruise line scam

In the middle of working on a blog post about SMS phishing scams at my desk last night, I received a rather strange call.  The number displayed on the Caller ID was +1 (360) 474-3925.  I did not recognize the number, but since it was 7:10PM, I assumed it was a colleague trying to reach me at my desk from somewhere around the world.

Same Ship, Different Bot

To my amazement, it was the same scam survey call I had written about three weeks ago here at the ESET Threat Blog (Press One if by LAN, Two if by Sea…).  It was a little different, though, this time:

ROPAX ferry

The Prinsesse Ragnhild in 2005. In 2008, she changed owners and was renamed Bahamas Celebration (Image Credit: Wikipedia)

Instead of Robo-John announcing that I had been selected to take a 30-second telephone survey and receive a free cruise to the Bahamas for my efforts, it was robo-Sally. This time, robo-Sally did not give the name of the organization “performing” the survey (more about this later), but instead began the process of performing the survey by telephone keypad. The scammer’s system seemed to have trouble recognizing my responses as I pressed the buttons on my phone, but eventually I was able to answer all five questions, at which point I was told I was being routed to a person for processing my free cruise.

Untangling the Caribbean Cruise Line Scam

The last three times this happened, I never got to speak to a human, but this time, I must have gotten lucky, because I was speaking to none other than “Melvin Jones” of Caribbean Cruise Line. I am putting “Melvin’s” name in quotation marks, since I do not know if that was his real name, or part of the script he was reading from. I introduced myself to “Melvin,” who confirmed that I had been forwarded to them by Political Opinions of America; something the automated survey no longer says.  I also told “Melvin” when introducing myself that I was a fraud researcher with ESET and that I had previously worked at a travel agency that specialized in leisure cruise travel; both true, and something that should have sent “Melvin” scurrying for the disconnect button on his headset.  “Melvin” seemed rather oblivious to this (or perhaps hopelessly naïve), and proceeded to pitch me on the cruise for the next twenty minutes or so, reading out loud large sections of Caribbean Cruise Line’s web site.  Here are some of the things I learned in my conversation with “Melvin:”

  • The ship in question is the MS Bahamas Celebration.
  • The cruise takes place out of the Port of Palm Beach, Florida.
  • The destination is the island of Grand Bahama, with a stay at a resort.
  • In order to guarantee my free cruise, I must pay a “government port tax” of $59.00 per person via American Express, MasterCard or VISA.  Both credit and debit cards are accepted.
  • “Melvin” is married and has never been to California but his favorite basketball team is the L.A. Lakers.

It is the fourth item on the list that is of greatest interest.  It is probably more accurate to state that the minimum cost is $118.00, as a minimum of two people are needed to book an inside stateroom (and a maximum of four).  Digging through information about Caribbean Cruise Line, it seems the government port tax is non-refundable, which is something “Melvin” did not mention to me in the twenty or so minutes we chatted.

After making his pitch, “Melvin” got down to closing, becoming increasingly adamant that I give him an American Express, MasterCard or VISA card in order to pay for my free cruise.  I tried to offer a Diners Club or a JCB card, instead, but was told these were not acceptable by “Melvin” who became increasingly eager to close the call.  I encouraged “Melvin” to visit the ESET Threat Blog web site so he could read what we had previously written about him, but he became evasive, saying he and his wife did not know how to do that from their home computer, and they could not go to non-work-related web sites while at work.

Scammer admits survey, cruise are from same company

As it finally dawned on “Melvin” that he had just spent twenty-three minutes not getting a sales commission, the last thing I told him was that I was sure I would be speaking to his company again soon, given the number of times I had received calls from Political Opinions of America.  “Melvin” replied that would not happen, since he was placing me on his company’s “do-not-call” list, basically admitting that the survey company and the cruise operator are the same company.

I did place a follow up call today to Caribbean Cruise Line at +1 (800) 586-6693 and asked to speak to “Melvin Jones” and while the receptionist was initially confused, she did eventually acknowledge him when I mentioned I had taken a politcal survey offered to take a message.  I got that telephone number from this Better Business Bureau report.  Although Caribbean Cruise Line is not accredited by the Bureau, they have a D+ rating (on a scale from a high of A+ to a low of F) with over 1,200 complaints lodged against them in the past three years

I am not sure if I will receive any further calls, but if I do, you can read about it here in the ESET Threat Blog.

 

Aryeh Goretsky, ZCSE, MVP
Distinguished Researcher


Have you received an automated call offering a free cruise in exchange for taking a quick political survey?  Let us know what happened by leaving a comment, below!

 

  • Stephen Cobb

    Deftly narrated Aryeh. I love "Same Ship, Different Bot." And I see this post made the front page of "Cruises for Less Daily."

  • Telzey Amberdon

    Good lord, what do you have to do to get an "F" from the Better Business Bureau?  Off a customer because you always wanted to know what it felt like to kill someone??

    • Aryeh Goretsky

      Hello,

      Apparently they are not a member of the Better Business Bureau, so the rating should be considered advisory. Thanks for your feedback, always good to hear from a fan of James H. Schmitz.

      Regards,

      Aryeh Goretsky

  • M. Richards

    I agree with Stephen Cobb, Aryeh.  I don't often see writing of your superb quality online.  I was only disappointed that your post was not longer and did not explain precisely what the scam is.  I just received exactly the same call, and did not give my credit card.  Had I given my card, would the scammers have put through a charge for as much as they could get from my account?  Would I not receive any cruise?  Is the cruise so terrible, I would be sorry I took it?  Do they not pay the port fees?  Other?
     

  • Aryeh Goretsky

    M.,

    As mentioned in the first blog article, the scam is to get your credit card number and charge you for a `free` cruise that you are unlikely to take.  According to some of the reports on the BBB site and elsewhere, the few people who do manage to take the cruise are bombarded with high-pressure sales tactics to invest in a timeshare or other schemes.

    Regards,

    Aryeh Goretsky

  • mento

    I loved the story and your writing, it appears that in the end almost no free stuff, especially as gifts of equal value, such as rowing, whatever it always cost us something. In any case when a person we do not know wants a credit card over the phone should give up the gift "that he offers not to be seduced.

  • SKMTL

    I just got off the phone with this very same offer after completing a short political survey.  This is in Montreal (Quebec, Canada), so they're coming across the border.  They gave me ths same pitch & money as outlined above, and when I refused to give my credit card #, they were very understanding, said they would feel the same way, etc…  Then the supervisor came on the phone, explained the deal to me again and understood my hesitation. They said since the credit card # was being given over the phone, it would only go through once I gave my okay/authorization with the receipt that would be electronically sent.  They did a good job of sounding very authentic, and then after 23 minutes, they suddenly hung up on me after I said that I would not be interested in going through with the offer at this time, even though I thought they were going to have me register for future considerations. Thank goodness I was reading this blog while I was on-line as I wanted to check out right away if this was a scam I was dealing with.

  • Gary Berns

    I actually took this cruise deal in 1995.  For an hour at a timeshare pitch we had a great weekend.  Even won money at the casino in Freeport.

    • Aryeh Goretsky

      Hello,

      I’m glad to hear you had a good experience seventeen years ago. Unfortunately, it appears that in the intervening years, their modus operandi has somewhat changed.

      Regards,

      Aryeh Goretsky

  • Jane Doe

    I just received this phone call. I am located in Montreal, Quebec. I was first asked to answer a quick 30 second survey on Canada Politics: One question about taxes, pension plan and oil. After pressing randomly pressing 3 numbers, I got transferred to redeem my 2 day cruise. My operator was Chloe with her employee number was AQ8517. I decided to have some fun and ask her useless questions. As she was explaining to me the cruise details I constantly asked her to pause so I can "write down the information" (instead I was searching the web about how popular this scam is) but she refused and kept talking. She tried changing the conversation asking for my credit card number. I asked if my flight is included (did not mention where I am located). She then transferred me to her "supervisor". He did not answer my inquiry about flight but instead repeated the same basic information as what "Chloe" did. I then kept asking for a call back number since I was "busy at the moment". He became unimpatient and hung up. 
    The number that appeared on my caller ID was 1-647-725-2914

  • Stephen Cobb

    Congratulations Aryeh! This scam finally made the IC3 alerts:

    http://www.ic3.gov/media/2012/120808.aspx

  • duped

    So…I admit, I was retarded, so excited that I "won" a cruise and, yes, shamefully gave them my CC#.  THEN even worse, because you are told you have 18 months to book your cruise vacation, I waited 7 months before going online and reviewing the details and visiting their cheesy website.  After realizing this is an awful scam, I called them to try and get a refund.  After about 45 min on the phone with 3 people (2 reps, 1 supervisor), I was rudely told that I was bantering with them and I am not entitled to my $118.  Even if I don't travel within the 18 months, they will not refund the $118 because it's a port charge paid to the Bahama government.  Whether that's a lie or not, I'm not sure.  Since if no person actually goes on the cruise, why should they have to pay any government any tax fee?  So basically they feed off idiots like me and pocket the $118.  *Sigh*

    • Aryeh Goretsky

      Hello,

      I certainly don’t think you were dumb: These are scammers, and scammers prey on unsuspecting people.

      Thank you for sharing your experience.

      Regards,

      Aryeh Goretsky

  • Christine

    This just happened to me three times when I tried to make an outgoing call!! I was calling different places to check my accounts/pay bills–SHNBC, Kohls and Verizon and the phone would not let me call anyone without first being directed to this stuped “free cruise” bs line! I screamed at that woman so bad and told her I was going to have her arrested!!
    Then, I tried to call Verizon and got no answer–22 times!!!! This is bs–Im cancelling everything and shooting them all!!!

    • Aryeh Goretsky

      Hello Christine,

      Thanks for letting us know your experience—it sounds like their auto-dialler had some sort of problem and was caught in a loop calling your telephone over and over. Since using that type of technology for this type of call is illegal you should also file a complaint with the US Federal Trade Commission about this abuse.

      Regards,

      Aryeh Goretsky

  • Jason

    I seem to get a call from these people every week (usually from a different number). I don't answer numbers I don't recognize, but when I look them up afterwards–yep, it's the cruise scam.
    The big question I have, given how long this has been going on, is why it hasn't been shut down yet. These are all U.S. numbers beings used. With hundreds or thousands of calls being made every week, can't the FBI, or whoever should be in charge of this, find them and shut them down?

  • Alicia S

    Same quick survey, same promise, same follow up calls. As soon as I heard I would need to pay $120 for 2 people $59 per person) for "port fees", I asked if I could have them call me back/if I could call back after I checked on these "port fees" with my travel agent since it didn't make sense to me that, before you even BOOKED the actual cruise, you needed to pay something. A supervisor was brought on the line & tried to give me the spiel. He told me it was a one time offer, just as the Packers don't get a 2nd chance at Super Bowl (nice touch since I am in fact from Green Bay lol), I couldn't call back so I either needed to accept or decline immediately. I chose the "decline" option. Called my mom, who's been on cruises, and she said she didn't even know what a port fee was. Then saw this article. Yup-same ship as mentioned in article. Luckily for me, I'm immediately suspicious of things that sound too good to be true.

    • Aryeh Goretsky

      Hello,

      Thanks for the feedback; I also checked with my travel agent as part of the research into this article as most of our travel as threat researchers is by airplane and not via cruise ship.

      Regards,

      Aryeh Goretsky

  • Annette

    I too was scammed today while trying to call Khol's to inquire why my order had not arrived. My phone temperarely highjacked.  I too was fast talked, bullied and lied to by Celebration Cruise Line/ Caribbean Cruise/ VCS Vacation.  I called back within an  hour when I found out I had been charged. The supervisor "Adam" actually told me I would not get a refund and this phone call is over.  He then hung up on me after claimming I was rude to him all the while I couldn't get a word in while he spoke to me in a way that leads to divorce in couples.  Actually I listened patiently to four individuals Carla, Shaquita, Mary and Latrice all of which did all the talking, none of them heard a word I tried to get in edgewise.  At this point cruise or not, I would not trust this company with my vacation plans. I work to hard for my money and Disney these bucket heads are not!  They have demonstrated  a  level of  complete and utter disregard for the consumer.  The "How Dare You" attitude of the employees is amazing.  Hopefully I will get my money back, I have filed fraud complaint with my bank, The  Florida Department of Consumer Affairs and The Florida BBB.  If you find and believe anything good about this company, and choose to spend your vacation with them,  cross your fingers and hope nothing goes wrong.  Simple put they don't care if your are happy.  Hallmark signs of a scam artist at work.

    • Aryeh Goretsky

      Hello,

      Thank you for sharing your experience with us, Annette. I hope that your bank is able to get your money back for you.

      Regards,

      Aryeh Goretsky

  • Sophia

    I just had a painful experience with them. After they spent hours with me on the phone, I decided to buy the package cuz they told me I could cancel it within one week with a full refund. However, when I tried to cancel it with them, they tried to argue with me on why I decided not to give it a try and what articles did I read from online. They insisted the articles were not telling the truth.  I called several times, and each time ended up with the similar rudeness that they hang up the phone with me. I am still in the process of working with my credit card company to get this resolved.

    • Aryeh Goretsky

      Hello,

      Disputing the charge with your credit card company is probably the best thing to do in this situation.

      Regards,

      Aryeh Goretsky

    • http://www.facebook.com/peri.e.rogers Peri Elise Rogers

      Sophia, Please see my post above. I had a similar experience and was terrified of going through the refund process, however I received a very prompt refund when I sent in written notice. I hope this helps!!

  • Deanna Hardaway

    Thats why when I get these suspicious calls I check  make sure if its a scam or not. It saved me from making a couple mistakes. Don't give out your credit card info before doing your homework.

  • Taylor

    Not a single person on here has said how this is a scam. I actually worked at caribbean cruise line. They tell everybody that the port taxes are non-refundable in verification. So my question to all of you is, "What is the scam?" Do you know what the word "scam" means? If you paid your port taxes and decided you did not want the cruise 7 months later, how is that a scam? Do any of you know what port taxes are? Every cruise line has to charge port taxes. Those are taxes that go to the port authority for the shipping using a federal port. You all make me laugh. 

    • Aryeh Goretsky

      Hello Taylor/Morgan,

      Thank you for your comment. I thought it was pretty clear that this was a scam, as well as how it worked, but I can see how as an employee of the company operating it, you might feel otherwise. So, in a nutshell, a robodialler calls one at home, work, or wherever, with a fake political survey from a fake polling organization. Once completed, the victim is told that they have one a free cruise, only to be subject to paying “port taxes” (plus beverages on-board the ferry, etc.). So, in other words, it’s not really free, there are expenses involved. Also, government-imposed port fees (i.e., port taxes) have to be refunded when a port of call is canceled—which may either be a reimbursement or a credit for services on board the ship.

      Then, there’s the whole business of using high-pressure sales tactics to get vacationeers to sign up for timeshares, as has been reported numerous times.

      In the case where someone does not actually even board the ship, asking them to pay a “non-refundable port tax” seems a little shady to me, at the very least.

      Since you seem rather dogmatic that this scam is, indeed, an aboveboard legitimate business enterprises, I am not sure what I can say to convince you otherwise. Therefore, I’ll instead give you the following two resources to follow up on, should you so desire:

      Thank you for taking the time to write.

      Regards,

      Aryeh Goretsky

  • SpeiCee

    I was just called by the number (360) 460-5964.  If this is the same scam, which having read these posts I can assume that it is a virtual certainty, then they are presenting the scam slightly differently.  The questionaire was about living situation: do I rent or own, does my residence have sewage or septic, and also have I earned a college degree.  After the questionaire I was immediately connected to an operator who did not request any financial information, only my name.  Before I was even willing to give that I asked some questions.  She diverted my questions related to the trip (where does the ship take off, is air-fair included, etc) by saying she doesnt work for them and that she doesnt want to try to give information she hasnt been specifically provided.  Other questions she was more comfortable with answering.  ie "will anyone in future phone calls ask me for financial information and payment" — she said no!  ITS FREE!…  She re-itterated to me much the same as the automated operator explained that this opportunity is afforded due to the attempt to fill each ship to capacity.  Due to the fact that many people who would make the quick decision to go ahead and put a small port fee on the line in hopes of going on a free cruise I have also believe that this is potentially legit.
    I say that with somewhat of lightness – a legit program is not necessarily reflective of an enjoyable vacation.  I suspect that they do make a sweet handful of cash on persons who end up paying the "port fee" but dont end up being able to go.  The falacy with this whole website is that no one says anything about not being given a free cruise if they have attempted to schedule it.  The only "scam" I am convinced has been revealed is the early payment of port fees.  This, however, is not necessarily a scam.  I suggest instead of hearing anymore stories exactly like the ones already posted that we hear about an instance that is a true scam.
    For example it would be a true scam if you had tried to schedule the trip within the time frame given and were rejected over a large span of potential launch dates.  For instance, this is not a scam -like statement "sorry that ship is full, you could go on this ship though."  But this would be scam-like, "sorry that ship is full, and so is every other ship for the remaining 17 months of your 18 month window for the free cruise.
    Don't get me wrong.  It goes without saying that the business plan of these individuals is sketchy.  I'd say it is likely that it is at least a lie that they do not make some to all of the money of "port fees" with canceled accounts.  I consider this bad business, as well as morally wrong.  However, if one has the ability to get to the ship, has an open schedule for being able to go on a trip, "when the trip is available for you," and will take action to get the trip planned and make it happen then I deduce that you can truly get a "free cruise" for the price of port fees.
    You need to realize though, a cruise is much like a high priced strip store with entertainment.  They throw a lot at you for free and put a lot of pressure on you to recipricate on the financial balance at your own discretion if not by the price tag.  That is you are given the opportunity to tip everyone on the ship, plus most products on the ship is "screw your wallet expensive" and of cheap make.  Also, assume that you will not have any mobile connection without paying 5$ – 10$ per minute.  But if you would at least be able to enjoy your time if you are lazily floating on a big boat and can ignore/divert the sell sell sell tactics, while having the relatively high quality free food… well then you can probably make the best of this.
    Tread lightly though, only do it if you WILL GET IT DONE.

    • Aryeh Goretsky

      Hello,

      Thanks for updating us on the scammer’s latest polling scheme and your feedback, SpeiCee.

      Regards,

      Aryeh Goretsky

      .

  • angie lopez

    After all the above comments I can add one more thing that happened to me.  I called back and I said can I give you a credit card that I can purchase for the $118.00 that would cover the port tax fee?  I was given the following response.
    " well since this is your second call to us we are limited one call per customer so you have to go to our website and log in we do not garantee that you will be able to get the same promotion that we offered you on the first phone call we made to you"

  • D Winslow

    We just got the same scam.  I was calling the number on the back of my Khol's credit card to activate the card, when the voice said, Congratulations, you just won a two night cruise to the Bahamas, press any button to speak with a Caribbean Cruise representative.  Spoke to a representative who gave me all sorts fo confirmation codes, emails, etc but being cautious did not give any credit card information.  Certainly sounded legit but have our doubts.  Still need to call coroporate Khol's to let them know what happened.  After hanging up, called the Khol's number again and was able to activate my credit card.  How in the world were they able to hijack that number?

    • Aryeh Goretsky

      Hello D Winslow,

      Thanks for your feedback!

      This sounds like a problem with the bank of phone numbers used by Kohl’s. What was the number given on the Kohl’s credit card? Have you contacted their corporate office to ask them about this rather strange event?

      Regards,

      Aryeh Goretsky

  • Don

    ALL numbers having a prefix of 360 and 206 that have called me are blocked on my phone. These recorded messages are phone spam. "Hello. This is your captain speaking." If everyone who received these calls reported them to the BBB, the BBB would be overwhelmed and stop recording.

    • Aryeh Goretsky

      Hello,

      The 206 area code is for Seattle, Washington, and 360 for outside of Seattle, so you may be doing yourself a disservice by blocking those area codes.

      That said, I do not think it is a bad idea to file a complaint with the BBB and the FTC. The more people that complain, the more likely it is for them to do something about the scam.

      Regards,

      Aryeh Goretsky

  • Stephen Cobb

    Lily — That does sound pretty extreme. We do not provide legal advice here, but if I thought someone was looking at my credit report for marketing purposes I would contact an attorney and the FTC https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/

  • Stephen Cobb

    James – We appreciate this update on their tactics. If you have time to file a complaint with the FTC that would help. The more complaints they get, the more likely they will take action (and the FTC does sue and fine companies, it is one of the better .gov agencies): https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/

  • Stephen Cobb

    That is indeed their number. Where are you hearing this on the radio?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005433850499 Facebook User

    Look at this well developed scam (Caribbean Cruise Line & the Berkley Group) at http://www.thecaribbeancruisescam.com

    • Stephen Cobb

      Thank you for sharing.

  • john harper

    I work for them also. It’s not a scam. It’s a promotional call. We thouroughly go over all the details before transfering you to a verification department that goes over all the details again and make you an audio verbal receipt. Of course we try to upsale you a better room on the ship and get you to stay longer on the Island. We send people toMexio and Las Vegas, Ft. Lauderdale and Orlando. It’s telephone sales. Sales is the art of persuasion. No one is forcing you to go on vacation. It might not be the best cruise line available in your opinion but they did travel over half a million people to the Bahamas last year.

  • Rocky

    I called to cancel my phone and was on hold. I listened to a recorded message stating that I had won a “free cruise vacation for 2″. On further inquiry I was told they would charge $119 dollars for a cruise vacation for 2. Also they said that I was a “VIP” and offered me a $3000 package for $500 for hotel stay in miami and bahamas. I actually gave them my information and bought the package.

    Less than a minute later I realized how insane this was. I called up my credit card and the Banker was understandable baffled. She told me to dispute the charge and Call up VCS and cancel the charge.

    Here s where it got ugly. After being transferred, I was on the phone with a guy who was rude and possibly angry. After an uncomfortable conversation for about 30 mins, he transferred me to a “supervisor”.

    It was back to square 1 with this guys. Same Freaking Questions. ” why dont you want it anymore? but you just paid? Let me explain what you just bought …….” This went on for abt 20 mins

    I finally asked him “All you need to tell me is, can you cancel the charge? yes or no. If no then I will fight it as a fraud.”

    He asked me if I wanted to Buy some land instead of the vacation(or atleast thats what I thought he said.)

    He also tried to give me a “partial refunds”. I finally told him that I m leaving and need to hang up and I ill fight this charge as a fraud.

    He said he can refund the money in 7-10 days.

    If you are in my situation: Be calm even if they are rude. Be firm that you want to cancel the charge and make sure to let them know that you know your rights.

    Hope you guys learn from my incident.

  • Carol

    I just got a pseudo boarding pass saying if I call a number within 72 hrs I can get a 3 day cruise for 2. Has anyone else had this experience?

  • naheed

    I am in Calgary Canada. I got the 5 question opinion poll and told they would call me back to give me details on my free cruise. I was like, yah right! today, about 5 days later, I got a call from the cruise company and blah blah they read everything of the details. the “travel agent” would keep exclaiming at all the great things on board and I would be like “yah” waiting for the catch. then it comes 118.0 in port charges. I laughed and said you really think I am going to pay that. its a scam! he was affronted! he said let me take your e-mail address in three minutes I will send you our website and bonded number and trade number and then you can call us back and get the free cruise. ten minutes gone by….no mail!!!!

    • Stephen Cobb

      Thanks for sharing your experience.

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